Podcast 81: Gait, critical, pure and essential principles

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Show Notes and links:
 
Forget Cheetah Blades. This Prosthetic Socket Is a Real Breakthrough
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/forget-cheetah-blades-prosthetic-socket-real-breakthrough
 
Rebuilding and Regenerating Damaged Knees: The Future Has Arrived!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nicholas-dinubile-md/rebuilding-and-regenerati_b_6043374.html
 
the foot gym:
 
From a reader:
Thanks for sharing all the great information over the years. I would like to pose to you some simple questions. How do you decide what area/s are relevant to the issue a patient presents? How do you decide what is “normal” given anatomical variations, history of injuries, torsion’s, etc., and if pain is present, why would you address biomechanics, since pain is a neurological phenomenon not a biomechanical phenomenon?
This may not be that simple but would like to hear what you have to say on these topics.
Thank you,
Joe 
 
COMPARISON OF ISOMETRIC ANKLE STRENGTH BETWEEN FEMALES WITH AND WITHOUT PATELLOFEMORAL PAIN SYNDROME
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4196327/
 
the drawbacks of technology
A case of the non-resolving ankle sprain.  Things to think about when the ankle and foot just do not fully come around after a sprain.
Gait Guys,
A while back I had a severe ankle sprain while trail running.  As I stepped on a rock my toes pointed d…

A case of the non-resolving ankle sprain.  Things to think about when the ankle and foot just do not fully come around after a sprain.

Gait Guys,

A while back I had a severe ankle sprain while trail running.  As I stepped on a rock my toes pointed downward, my ankle was rolled in and I felt a pop. This was follow by a lot of swelling and bruising both on the inside and outside of my ankle.  Being experienced with ankle sprains, I jumped on the initial treatment immediately. The reduction in swelling and bruising lead me to believe that I was in for a 4-5 week recovery, then I would be back at what I love doing. I was proven wrong:  

1.       Initial treatment consisted of immobilization, icing, and a very high dose of Ibuprofen (3 days only). After a couple weeks of this I began stretching, massage and trying to get into some modified activities as the pain allowed me to. I was able to  do some hiking but running was too painful.

2.       After 6 weeks, I was still having pain in the posterior tibial tendon area as well as the deltoid ligament area. I tried running but, I was met with severe pain beginning in the middle of the gait cycle through  the push off. I saw a PA at this time and was told to give it more rest. For the next few weeks I wore a soft brace and spent most of my time in a chair.

3.       By week 9, there was no improvement. I could walk fine but, I had the same pain when I tried to run. I visited the PA again and was put in a walking cast and had an MRI. The MRI should a low grade deltoid and ATFL sprain as well as a bruised bone. I spent 2 weeks in the walking cast then returned to the soft cast for another week. During this time I did nothing besides give it rest.

4.       At week 11, I did not see a noticeable improvement. I still had a sharp pain in my posterior tibial tendon area and deltoid area during the middle of my gait (when trying to run). At this time, I had another visit with the PA. After looking at my MRI more closely, he saw fluid buildup behind my talus. He thinks that I had an impact injury to my Os Trigonum. He also noticed that I had very limited dorsiflexion.  He has advised me to stretch and give it a few more weeks. If it’s not going in a positive direction he recommended a cortisone shot.

As it stands today at week 12, in a dorsiflexion position, I have a sharp pain in what feels like my Achilles tendon and posterior tibial tendon area (the MRI shows these are intact). I also have a lot of tenderness in the deltoid area. Walking, I am almost pain free but as soon as I begin to run, the pain starts in the areas described above. This is the first injury I have ever had where I haven’t seen a steady improvement when recovering (maybe I am just getting old). The pain I am having now when trying to running is the same as it was at week 4. This really concerns me.

I guess my question is, where do I go from here? Do I keep doing what I am doing? Should I seek a second opinion?  Any help or guidance you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

On a side note, your blog has helped me to get though the last 12 run-less weeks without losing my mind or falling into a deep depression.  You guys do some great stuff.  Keep up the good work!

Best Regards,

MR

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Dear MR:

Somehow we missed this email. Sorry about that.

Whenever things are not resolving with reasonable intervention one must think of two things: either the injury was severe or the diagnosis is incorrect.

Without seeing you we are unable to determine either. But here are our thoughts.

The Os Trigonum syndrome is a good thought. It seems to be in the correct area of your complaint. These “Os” bones can be embedded in tendon or soft tissue and they can be fixed to the posterior talus by either bone or a cartilagenous bridge. It is possible for this to be your problem if the inversion event was severe enough although it is not that common in this described mechanism.

One must also be suspect of osseous compression of the medial talus against the medial calcaneus, which will bring thoughts of a posterior subtalar facet fracture. We pulled up an article we read a few years ago on this issue (click here), the article is entitled, “Pseudo os trigonum sign: missed posteromedial talar facet fracture”. Obviously this needs to be considered in your case since there are similar components in area and symptom of your complaints. Posteromedial talar facet fracture (PMTFF) is a rare injury, sparsely reported in the literature and it must be chased as a diagnosis of suspicion when all other clinical presentations have not panned out. Damage to the sustentaculum tali must also be assessed, as this too can be fractured.  Osteochondral defects are also always on the list in violent inversion events; they are classically seen anteromedially and posteriolaterally at the ankle mortise joint.

Something else that is often missed in ankle inversion sprains is avulsion or rupture of the extensor digitorum brevis on the lateral foot. As the rearfoot inverts and forefoot plantarflexes the EDB is tensioned to the point of tearing. Although you seem to have no symptoms in this area it can never be overlooked. These are easy to discern from the lateral ligamentous structure damage because the areas are clearly separate from eachother.  Look for tenderness down into the top of the metatarsals into the forefoot. Also test for weakness and pain of toe extension.

So, lots to consider here in this case. When things to not resolve you have to start looking for less common problems and damage.  We would love to hear how you are doing MR. Drop us a line.

Shawn and Ivo……. also geeks of orthopedics.  We paid the piper long ago.

A Coach with Anterior knee pain:  About as common a problem as finding dirt on a child.
We get emails like this all the time. Here is one from a coach with a problem.
Hi Gait Guys,I was just found your blog visiting one of the running sites I like c…

A Coach with Anterior knee pain:  About as common a problem as finding dirt on a child.

We get emails like this all the time. Here is one from a coach with a problem.

Hi Gait Guys,

I was just found your blog visiting one of the running sites I like coachjayjohnson.com. I’m a high school xc/track coach and a former runner myself. I say former because I dug a nice hole in my cartilage in the lateral trochlear groove about 4 years ago from running. This actually happened 3 months after I stopped wearing the custom orthotics i had been wearing for about 8 years. What a mistake that was, but the biggest mistake might have been getting them in the first place.

Anyways, 3 months ago I had a procedure done to regrow the cartilage. this was done at the stone clinic in San Francisco. The doctor said I should wait a year before I attempt to run again. I’m fine with that but sometime next year once my knee is feeling good enough I’d like to come see you guys before I start running again so that you can help analyze everything and get me out there running again with good form and in the correct shoes etc. Where are you guys located? Also, are you going to come out with some new DVDs?

Thanks,
(name removed)

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What The Gait Guys have to say …

Dear Coach:

(Links in our discussion have been embedded for you and other readers and we have included a picture above so everyone else will know where your problem was.)

Anterior knee pain in runners is about as common a problem as finding dirt on a child. You have described the all to common, osteochondral defect. IT is a defect of bone and cartilage quite often from blunt or repetitive trauma.

Knee joint anterior malalignment is multivariably associated with patellofemoral osteoarthritis (study). Alignment issues at the knee can be driven by variations of the optimal anatomy (versions and torsions, see a post on this from ~3 weeks ago) but in our opinion they are often driven from other factors most notably improper biomechanics driven by muscle weaknesses-tighness. However, other factors can come into play to complicate the scenario, such as poorly selected footwear for a foot type. Alignment at the knee is subservient to the mechanics at the hip and foot. Both the hip and foot are multiaxial  joints, whereas the knee in its healthy state and most basic description, a sagittal hinge joint (sure, miniscule rotation). When the hip or foot are prostituted and some of the availability of their normal motion is lost or changed (as is possibly the case of an orthotic as you eluded to, however in the hands of a skilled practictioner the orthotic can help positively restore compromised function, if they understand and assess whole limb kinetic function) the knee joint can often find itself in the middle of altered biomechanical force streams. This all to often can lead to anterior knee pain, compromised function of the patellofemoral joint.  This, as in your suspected case, can lead to abnormal cartilage wear at the interface of the two bones.

In one article it was proposed that physical activity may modify the association between joint incongruity and cartilage loss, and can be further affected by subject characteristics such as gender. It must be part of the thought process that rather than it being the activity, is more likely to suspect altered biomechanics during said activity as being the culprit.  Understanding these complex interactions will help optimize strategies to maintain patellofemoral joint health. However, this study found that for every one-degree increase in the proximal trochlear groove angle at baseline, there was an associated 1.12 mm  increase in the annual rate of patella cartilage volume loss. This brings a person’s given anatomy, perhaps suboptimal anatomy, into play and thus adds one’s risk factors. There was a trend for this effect to occur for males, as well as people participating in vigorous physical activity. Males who exercised vigorously were more adversely affected.

In conclusion, this study showed that in vivo engineered cartilage was remodeled when implanted; however, its extent to maturity varied with cultivation period. The results showed that the more matured the engineered cartilage was, the better repaired the osteochondral defect was, highlighting the importance of the in vitro cultivation period.

There are many surgical interventions out there for anterior knee pain, such as tuberosity transfers, retinacular releases, injections, and God forbid patellectomies among others (yes, we have clients who decades ago had this done, imagine that! Thankfully this radical move is no longer done !). Most people simply need a well versed biomechanist who understands the whole kinetic chain, understands the force streams, can assess for the limitations and reduce them to restore the previous normal mechanics.  Sadly, sometimes interventions are not optimal or precise and folks end up like you coach. And then surgery is your only option.  Thanks for sharing your story and reaching out to us. Sharing your anonymous story may help others avoid your painful journey. We would be happy to see you, we are getting more and more letters like yours both here in the home land and internationally. Hopefully, our mission will help reduce these problems, if at least just a little. (PS: yes, our 3 part Shoe Fit / Biomechanics & Functional Anatomy DVD and online program should launch in February. Information about the launch will be right about the time phase 2 of the website will lauch www.thegaitguys.com).

Best to you.

Shawn and Ivo, The Gait Guys