Podcast 73: Cross Fit and Squatting. Knees out ?

Podcast 73: Femoral and Tibial Torsions and Squatting: Know your Squatting Truths and Myths

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Today’s Show notes:

1. Bioengineers create functional 3D brain-like tissue   http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2014/nibib-11.htm

2.  A Novel Shear Reduction Insole Effect on the Thermal Response to Walking Stress, Balance, and Gait
 
3.  Hi Shawn and Ivo, There is a lively debate in the Crossfit community about “knees out” during squatting. I have attached a blog post. It might be a good blog post or podcast segment. 
 
4. Shoe Finder ?
 
5.  Michael wrote: “I know this is too broad a topic for facebook, but I was wondering what your general recommendation would be for someone with flat feet and exaggerated, constant over-pronation. I’ve tried strengthening my calves and ankles, but have seen no noticeable reduction in the automatic "rolling in” of my feet whenever walking or standing. I can consciously correct the over-pronation, of course, but as soon as I stop tensing my arch muscle, everything flops back down.“
Got Hip Pain ? Attention Runners and Athletes with Hip Pain.
Compensatory joint motions are quite often a source of a person’s pain. Shirley Sahrmann named her hip syndromes for the direction of the movement most consistently associated with p…

Got Hip Pain ? Attention Runners and Athletes with Hip Pain.

Compensatory joint motions are quite often a source of a person’s pain. Shirley Sahrmann named her hip syndromes for the direction of the movement most consistently associated with pain. In a recent CME presentation we did for www.onlineCE.com we discussed the accessory movements found with the hip.

Lets look at the known normal biomechanical facts:

During hip flexion the accessory motion is posterior glide of the femoral head.

Hip extension: accessory motion is anterior glide of the femoral head.

Hip medial (internal) rotation: accessory motion is posterior glide of the femoral head.

Hip lateral (external) rotation: accessory motion is anterior glide of the femoral head.

Hip abduction: accessory motion is inferior glide of the femoral head.

Hip adduction: accessory motion is superior glide.

Impairment, either from joint/bony deformation (ie. torsions) or from functional muscular asymmetry, can lead to impairment of the accessory motions (compensation) that are necessary for clean joint function.  This can lead to pain. 

For you clinicians out there, knowing your hip torsions and versions will impact the amount/degree of these accessory motions. This is why we harp on knowing your fixed anatomic variants.  (You can find discussions on these in our prior blog posts and on previous recorded www.onlineCE.com teleseminar presentations.) For example, reduced medial rotation at the hip (usually met with increased external rotation) is often seen in people with retrotorsion of the femur. Said another way, when your client has impaired medial or lateral hip rotation you must go beyond looking at the muscles at some point and consider whether they have a form of ante or retro torsion.

Hip extension is a critical part of normal human ambulation, whether you are walking or running.  Normally the hip, when moving into extension during the final propulsive phase of ambulation, allows for the femoral head of the hip to glide anterior in the socket (acetabulum). This reduces labral RIM pinch (RIM Syndromes) and allows for greater safe extension range. If hip extension range is impaired then this accessory motion of anterior glide can be impaired and lead to compensation and pain.

Think about this:

What if the quadriceps are tight ?

What If the Glutes are weak ?

What if rotational muscles are short ?

What if ankle rocker (dorsiflexion) is impaired ?

What if there is neuro-inhibition from joint pain (ie. osteoarthritis or joint mal-centration etc) ?

What if there is imbalance and weaknesses about the hip ?

What if there are other faulty movement patterns ?

What if there is one of the femoral torsions present ?

Much of this is “chicken or the egg”, who came first ?  These “what ifs” are what make practicing medicine difficult and a real challenge. Some of these issues can be found during functional movement assessments, but some of them will be missed if that is all you are doing. These issues may be what separates the good clinician, therapist, coach or trainer from the “not so good”. Knowing if a person has an impaired rolling pattern (see here http://youtu.be/dqnR0EcW2YY) is great to know, but knowing if the lower limb driver is off because the hip cannot internally rotate is even greater. Merely giving the person the homework of practicing and repeating the rolls on the impaired driver side without assessing all of the parts (for example some of the issues above) may cause you to miss the boat, or to engrain a new faulty motor pattern. 

Knowledge is prince, application of knowledge is king.

Next week we will begin a blog post a week on the biomechanics of the hip. We hope you will join us.

Shawn and Ivo


Here are some of our prior blog posts to add and deepen this dialogue:

The Hip, Part 1: Hip Labral Tears & The RIM Syndromes

We have much to say on this topic. A few years ago I was doing some lectures on Hip Rim syndromes (ARS: Acetabular Rim Syndromes) for an imaging center and realized the lack of clinical knowledge on the topic.  Recently, we have been receiving some referrals and emails regarding  and we figured it was time to “hit the hip” topic for awhile. 

Here is an article to start with.  It has some basic info. If you want to be able to follow our progression of Rim Syndromes and labral issues and how to approach them clinically etc start here (and, if you are an athlete with hip issues, there will be understandable and usable info for you as well as the week progresses).  We have some nice powerpoint presentations on this stuff too, we are looking for a way to make them available for you as well.

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**** Here is our main problem with the article, as admitted by the authors……… “

** "Clinical Relevance: Although this study does not include muscular forces across the hip joint, it does provide a clue as to the stresses about the labrum through the complete range of motions of the hip, which may help in providing a better understanding of the cause of labral tears and in the protection of labral repairs.”
from The Gait Guys……..“this is the problem with this study, and studies like it, particularly cadaver studies.  There is no way to accurately assess the muscular forces and function  at the joint.  We have taken many hip labral tear and Rim syndrome patients and resolved their pain by looking at the muscular dysfunction that is leading to the Rim syndrome, impingement, tears etc…….. remember, an MRI is a static  photo in a non-weightbearing state without muscular engagement.  A rather useless test for this problem if you ask us.  The information from the MRI’s regarding tissue pathology in the syndrome is nice and helpful, but you still have to fix the issues that allowed the problem to begin in the first place ! Repairing and debriding the labrum does not necessarily, and often does not,  resolve the causative issues.  Understanding normal gait and the implications of pathological gait patterns is paramount to fixing these issues. The tissue pathology is the tissue pathology, you still have to fix the problem that started the whole process ! ” …..The Gait Guys___________________________________________________________________________________

Study:

Am J Sports Med. 2011 Jul;39 Suppl:92S-102S.

Strains across the acetabular labrum during hip motion: a cadaveric model.

Safran MR, Giordano G, Lindsey DP, Gold GE, Rosenberg J, Zaffagnini S, Giori NJ.

Abstract

Background: Labral tears commonly cause disabling intra-articular hip pain and are commonly treated with hip arthroscopy. However, the function and role of the labrum are still unclear. Hypotheses: (1) Flexion, adduction, and internal rotation (a position clinically defined as the position for physical examination known as the impingement test) places greatest circumferential strain on the anterolateral labrum and posterior labrum; (2) extension with external rotation (a position clinically utilized during physical examination to assess for posterior impingement and for anterior instability) places significant circumferential strains on the anterior labrum; (3) abduction with external rotation during neutral flexion-extension (the position the extremity rests in when a patient lies supine) places the greatest load on the lateral labrum.Results: The posterior labrum had the greatest circumferential strains identified; the peak was in the flexed position, in adduction or neutral abduction-adduction. The greatest strains anteriorly were in flexion with adduction. The greatest strains anterolaterally were in full extension. External rotation had greater strains than neutral rotation and internal rotation. The greatest strains laterally were at 90° of flexion with abduction, and external or neutral rotation. In the impingement position, the anterolateral strain increased the most, while the posterior labrum showed decreased strain (greatest magnitude of strain change). When the hip is externally rotated and in neutral flexion-extension or fully extended, the posterior labrum has significantly increased strain, while the anterolateral labrum strain is decreased. Conclusion: These are the first comprehensive strain data (of circumferential strain) analyzing the whole hip labrum. For the intact labrum, the greatest strain change was at the posterior acetabulum, whereas clinically, acetabular labral tears occur most frequently anterolaterally or anteriorly. The results are consistent with the impingement test as an assessment of anterolateral acetabular labral stress. The hyperextension-rotation test, often used clinically to assess anterior hip instability and posterior impingement, did not show a change in strain anteriorly, but did reveal an increase in strain posteriorly. Clinical Relevance: Although this study does not include muscular forces across the hip joint, it does provide a clue as to the stresses about the labrum through the complete range of motions of the hip, which may help in providing a better understanding of the cause of labral tears and in the protection of labral repairs.”
Shawn and Ivo, ……… The Gait Nerds